it creates losers, and the obama administration has never figureed out how to account for that. jon: interesting point. joe that, lynn, thank you both. >> thank you. jenna: we're going to turn now to the latest budget battle on capitol hill that's going on while we're all talking about health care. lawmakers are trying to come up with a new deal to fund the government and keep it running past january 15th or face another shutdown. our chief political correspondent carl cameron is live in washington with more on this. so, carl, what's in a possible deal? be is there a possible deal? >> reporter: well, there may be, and it's only being negotiated by two key members of congress, paul ryan -- the house committee budget chairman, republican -- and patty murray, the democratic senate committee person. and they've got a very, very busy calendar and an awful lot to do and not a lot of time. ryan and murray have until next friday the 13th, yes, you heard right, they're several imposed deadline, to come up with a one-year spending agreement to raids the spending cap under the so-called se